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i feel sorry that there are people arguing on this thread when we should be nurturing each other. we are attacking each other because our societies set us up in perpetual competition with each other. we shouldn’t eat what we are told to eat by the people trying to sell it to us, we shouldn’t eat chemicals and processed foods and such high amounts of nutritionally barren ‘products’ (not even food). we should be conscious of everything we put in our bodies and do so with love and respect. peace.
‘Six glasses isn’t a lot. Lower than the recommended’
That recommendation is for ppl consuming meat, grains, dairy & other non-fiberous products. It’s a lot compared to other apes since only culturable humans consume junk regularly.
‘poor Asians drinking green tea are all going to die before their time. LOL’
u don’t give a damn..
‘You go through life afraid’
False. I was a germaphobe on meat, afraid of colds, cancer, CHD, DB, etc, sick as much as the avg culturist but now I’m in control.
@Chrisisms : Six glasses isn’t a lot. Lower than the recommended 8-10 glasses per day. The study is a joke. All those poor Asians drinking green tea are all going to die before their time. LOL. You go through life afraid to make a move without a study to tell you its ok or not ok. Do you think these healthy long-lived populations care about studies? This is amusing …
@auggiedoggy I drink about 6 glasses per day of water and green tea’
Yeah, lots of fluid to wash down a toxic diet…
tea helps destroy beneficial bacteria u ignore…
Int J Cancer. 2009 Aug 1;125(3):491-524. High-temperature beverages and foods and esophageal cancer risk–a systematic review. Coffee, tea and maté may cause esophageal cancer (EC) by causing thermal injury to the esophageal mucosa.
‘What research?’
Ahhh nevermind, dog…
‘Was I supposed to find a study’
Go w/your ‘feelings’…
@Chrisisms : 1. I drink about 6 glasses per day of water and green tea. What research? I looked at your study. Was I supposed to find a study refuting yours? Smokescreen? You are the paranoid one aren’t you. Your study was presented to back your claim that we are vegan species was it not? Sorry but there are no studies that come to that conclusion. I can find many studies on vegan and vegetarian diets that indicate their inherant problems. You don’t have to look hard to find them.
‘I don’t supplement with fiber’
Fruit alone provides sufficient fiber, particularly wild fruit w/skin. But what are u doing to compensate for meat? Real carnivores consume fur with meat, which acts as fiber. u must be drinking lots of water to push the meat along the digestive tract, reducing the putrefaction dysbiosis and extended mucosal exposure to the toxins in the rotting meat. By the way, how did your research on intestinal flora go? u seemed to have switched the subject as a smokescreen..
‘My comment about not eating a ‘ton of meat’ as you say’
This was covered. your comrade spoke of ‘a tone of carbs’. u seemed to have jumped in… But why?
‘vegans who seem to be under the mistaken impression to think that people who include meat in their diet eat a lot’
??
‘Some of us eat a lot of meat’
So you’re minimalizing now…
‘My diet is plant-based supplemented with meat’
Like 99% of the population, u share their diseases risks.
‘Modest amounts of meat’
Provide modest disease risks.
@Chrisisms : My comment about not eating a ‘ton of meat’ as you say was aimed at you and other vegans who seem to be under the mistaken impression to think that people who include meat in their diet eat a lot of meat. Some of us eat a lot of meat. My diet is plant-based supplemented with meat. Modest amounts of meat don’t seem to hurt the Okinawans much, does it?
@Chrisisms : I don’t supplement with fiber, I get plenty from all the vegetables and fruit I eat. You see? You known ZERO about me and my diet. Stop with the silly statements that come back to bite you in the ass. As far as cooked meat is concerned, I’ve already told you I eat both cooked and non-cooked. You are the one that brought up the topic in the first place.
‘problems the Inuit had is when they switched to a “civilized” diet’
That’s a problem w/EVERY civilized culture.
‘common notion that coronary heart disease is rare among Inuit, possibly due to a high intake of omega-3. Scientific evidence for this is weak and to some extent based on uncertain mortality statistic. Overall prevalence of CHD was 10.8% in men and 10.2% in women. The highest prevalence was observed in the least westernized areas in Greenland. Atherosclerosis. 2008 Feb;196(2):772-8.
‘I never said anything about carbs’
I realize this after identifying your toppost and original thread. your comrade brought up ‘tons of carbs’. Then for some reason u reacted to ‘tons of protein’ out of context. Now u act surprised when I thought u were part of the original exchange…
‘I never mentioned cooked meat’
auggiedoggy 11 hours ago @Chrisisms : ‘I consume sushi, sashimi and smoked salmon’
‘constipated because I eat sushi’
Correct, unless u supplement w/fiber.
@Chrisisms : The only problems the Inuit had is when they switched to a “civilized” diet. Their traditional diet served them very well. A healthy diet is one where you don’t have to rely on enriched foods. If you have to add calcium or B12 or whatever to soy guess what, it isn’t a real food to begin with. It requires processing to make it edible. A healthy natural diet consists of foods that don’t have to be enriched. So, what natural food source would a vegan have to choose to get B12?
@Chrisisms : You really have a problem getting things right! Firstly, I never said anything about carbs, secondly, I never mentioned cooked meat. I see you took a portion of my sentence and put it in quotes but you left out a key part. If you’re going to quote me, at least get it right. You diagnosed me as constipated because I eat sushi? I can’t take you seriously anymore. Just for the record, I’ve never been constipated. You really know nothing about me to make ridiculous statements like that.
‘Who said anything about cooked meat?’
u advocate cooked food. Cooked meat is the unhealthiest and cooking was popularized for making ‘accessible’ the meat to supplement ancestor’s cultural diets, in spite of disease risks.
‘ancestors cooked everything?’
Nothing cooked benefits the digestive system, be it fruit or meat.
‘Inuit..’
out of the ecological niche had many digestive problems and still do.
‘I consume sushi’
u are constipated.
‘and smoked salmon’
There we go- cooked meat w/uric acid.
@Chrisisms : Who said anything about cooked meat? Do you our ancestors cooked everything? The Inuit certainly don’t and raw fish consumption isn’t unheard of. I consume sushi, sashimi and smoked salmon which is almost raw. Please explain to me how humans can derive such things as taurine or B12 from natural non-animal sources. If your arguments were relevant then humankind would do equally well on vegan diets as they do on mixed diets. This isn’t the case. Why is that?
@auggiedoggy @Chrisisms : Nobody said ‘eat tons of meat’.
Neither did I. Your comrade brought up ‘tons of carbs’ to begin the obfuscation session in order for u to avoid the scientific info concerning degraded digestive systems after consuming cooked meat.
MisterNutrition 3 weeks ago @Chrisisms ‘…eat tons of carbs right?’
Chrisisms 2 weeks ago @MisterNutrition Nobody said ‘eat tons of carbs’
I never said tons of anything. u brought it up. Where are u getting it from? u top posted. My comment about ‘tons..’ was in response. I use numbers and science. Now, I’ve provided science of bacterial flora thriving w/raw fruit but destroyed w/cooking and meat. Now will you please provide some science to support your cultural diet of mixed cooked food products?
‘…. longest lived populations..’
STOP!
You’re talking about history/culture. I’m talking about evolution/genetic instructions.
@Chrisisms : I never said ‘tons of carbs’. Where are you getting that from? Man has been eating meat for 2 million years, plenty of time to adapt. I believe in and follow a plant-based diet but plant-based doesn’t mean that you eliminate all animal foods from the diet. The healthiest longest lived populations all ate meat. As I said, nobody said you have to eat a ton of meat. Look at the Okinawans as an example.
@auggiedoggy ‘Nobody said ‘eat tons of meat’
I know. u said ‘tons of carbs’ though. And that is a fallacy of bifurcation, totally unnecessary when consuming a healthy, raw, plant based diet.
‘humans can digest meat’
‘there are no enzymes capable of degrading uric acid in man’ Role of Uric Acid as Endogenous Radical Scavenger and Antioxidant. Becker et al. Chest 1991;100′176S-181S
Humans do NOT have uricase enzyme to safely digest meat. This causes cancer, heart disease, etc from meat.